Gathering of Tweakers

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silentsnake schreef op donderdag 18 oktober 2007 @ 17:06:
Een 6000+ doet prima mee met een E6700, en er zit echt geen wereld van verschil in. Maar ja, toch kiezen mensen massaal voor een Intel "want die is beter". Ik blijf gewoon AMD draaien, en PCs die ik voor andere mensen in elkaar zet komt ook gewoon een AMD in.

Naluh! wijzigde dit bericht 18-10-2007 20:03 (10%)

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“We are encouraged by the progress we made in our third quarter financial results. We delivered a strong revenue increase, gained 8 percentage points of gross margin and reduced our operating loss by more than half,” said Robert Rivet, AMD’s chief financial officer, in a prepared statement. “We sold a record number of microprocessors through our distribution channel and began revenue shipments of quad-core AMD Opteron processors in the quarter.

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"We are still on track to produce the first (45-nanometer) products by mid-2008," said Gary Silcott, an AMD spokesman. The company will have "pretty good volumes" of 45-nanometer chips by the end of 2008, he added.

mad_max234 wijzigde dit bericht 18-10-2007 23:25 (23%)

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mad_max234 schreef op donderdag 18 oktober 2007 @ 23:00:
AMD not delaying 45 nano manufacturing

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Wouter Tinus schreef op donderdag 18 oktober 2007 @ 23:46:
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Iedere keer als AMD het over het midden van een jaar heeft wordt het het eind Q3/Q4 (recente voorbeelden: 65m, Barcelona), dus vergeef me als ik skeptisch ben. "Pretty good volumes" kan ook letterlijk alles >0 betekenen.

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de barcelona was gewoon een erg groot project.

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Help!!!! schreef op donderdag 18 oktober 2007 @ 18:05:
Summiere review op Trusted Reviews: MSI K9A3 CF - RD780 motherboard

Astennu wijzigde dit bericht 19-10-2007 00:31 (47%)

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Wouter Tinus schreef op donderdag 18 oktober 2007 @ 23:46:
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Iedere keer als AMD het over het midden van een jaar heeft wordt het het eind Q3/Q4 (recente voorbeelden: 65m, Barcelona), dus vergeef me als ik skeptisch ben. "Pretty good volumes" kan ook letterlijk alles >0 betekenen.

De financiële resultaten zien er wel beter uit, maar na Intels cijfers was het ook wel duidelijk dat de markt in het algemeen het gewoon heel goed gedaan heeft in Q3. In Q4 wordt het waarschijnlijk nog iets beter, hoewel ik dan nog steeds geen winst zou verwachten.

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Clock to clock


Our well informed sources have suggested that clock to clock AMD CPU will be cheaper than Intel’s 45 nanometre quad core parts. This is AMDs only chance to get the face back and we can only hope that AMD will be better in clock per clock battle, of course for fallen AMD’s sake.

If AMD loses clock to clock versus 45 nanometre parts it will even have to drop the price lower. If we look at our crystal ball, AMD’s 2.4GHz part will be way cheaper than €250 or $280. This is just a price guideline as we are not aware of any price drops of the current 65 nanometre quad core parts.

The real batch of Intel’s 45 nanometre comes in January and only a lot of Server Xeons 45 nanometre will be launched this year. The 45 nanometre desktop line-up will be introduced in Q1 2008.

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Sunnyvale (CA) - While refusing to speak about previously announced future products like Bobcat and Bulldozer, AMD's CTO Dirk Meyer did indicate during their Q3 conference call that Fab 36 is manufacturing 45nm processors "right now".

He said they're on track for production ramp in the first half of 2008. AMD's "first offense" for 45nm products will be server and desktop spaces, though Meyer said he would provide additional guidance in December. Basic yields are being attained right now at 45nm using existing materials.

On the 65nm front, Phenom in on track and will be launched "in the middle of Q4," according to Meyer. It will arrive at 2.5 GHz. So far in Q3, "tens of thousands" of quad-core Opterons have been shipped. They're expecting "hundreds of thousands" to ship in Q4. Compare that to Intel's two million quad-cores with twenty different models shipped in Q3. In order to attain the 20% market share AMD hopes for in quad-core space, they'll have to ship at least 400,000 products in Q4. AMD also shipped record prior-line 65nm and 90nm products in the quarter with an overall ASP increase of roughly 3%.

It was reported Fab 30 has now been shut down and is in the process of conversion to Fab 38. When completed it will be AMD's second 300mm fabrication facility. AMD's upcoming RD670 chipset will also arrive in the channel very soon with a mid-quarter launch to end-users.

Frank76NL wijzigde dit bericht 19-10-2007 10:53 (10%)

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silentsnake schreef op donderdag 18 oktober 2007 @ 20:39:
@hierboven

Jep, met prima meekomen bedoel ik dat ie het redelijk bij kan houden en niet dat ie alles wint.
Waar ik meer op doel is dat je geen verschillen van 30-40% hebt. Laten we eventjes de charts van Ome Tom aanhouden (http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html)

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Terwijl de lancering van de 65 nm AMD Phenom processor dichtbij is, heeft AMD's Chief Technical Officer Dirk Meyer verklaard dat er inmiddels ook 45 nm processoren geproduceerd worden. In Fab 36 rollen de 45 nm chips van de band, momenteel richt men zich nog vooral op de yield van het 45 nm productieproces. De eerste revisie van 45 nm processoren zal zowel voor servers als voor desktops bestemd zijn.

mad_max234 wijzigde dit bericht 19-10-2007 12:32 (9%)

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Hacku schreef op vrijdag 19 oktober 2007 @ 10:10:
Blijkbaar zitten ze toch op schema met 45nm, ze hebben werkende cpu's:


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Dirk Meyer

First, we are on track relative to having basic yields in place in our factories on material that we're running today. We're building 45 nanometer microprocessors as we speak and those two facts give us increasing confidence in the public statements we've been making for some time around our intent to be starting our production ramp of 45 nanometer processors in the first half of next year.

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In the area of increasing internal efficiencies, manufacturing performance in fab 36 inDresden remained strong, exceeding targets for output, yield and cycle time. We remain on schedule to shutdown fab 30 before the end of this year in preparation for transitioning that facility to 300 millimeter.

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Finally, we continued our transition to new technologies in each of our businesses. We completed the transition to 65 nanometer technology in fab 36 in Q2, and as I said, will be transitioning fab 30 this quarter to a 300 millimeter tool set and as a result, our mainstream processor business will be based on 65 nanometer 300 millimeter technology as we leave this year.

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The philosophy we have in running our factories is that we have been ramping fab 36 in capability for quite some time. We're not yet at its maximum capacity. As we ramp, as we continue to add capability for fab 36, we continue to utilize it. We don't ramp it and not use it.

So from that perspective, we use the capacity reasonably well. But on the other side is as you heard today, is we have shut down fab 30, we are transitioning out to fab 38, and we're doing it in such a way that fab 38 is going to be like a race car idling in the pit stop. I mean, we will be prepared to ramp that quickly, should we need extra capacity in that space; which frankly, we hope we do.

But at this point in time, we're planning to have fab 38 at modest activity in 2008.

achtbaanfreak wijzigde dit bericht 19-10-2007 16:54 (15%)

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achtbaanfreak schreef op vrijdag 19 oktober 2007 @ 16:52:
Dus fab 38 is 65nm@300mm wafers?