Lees wat ik met Haig de moderator van Matrox heb besproken.
Als ik het goed begrijp staat er geen S-Video of Composit Video signaal op de connectors van de Rainbow Runner alleeen een soort overlay video signaal die door de DVB-C wordt omgezet naar S-Video/Composit Video!
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posted December 11, 2002 06:00 AM
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Just bought a Siemens Nixdorf sett top box.
This box has a siemens DVB-C and a Rainbow runner card in it. The RR card is connected to the DVB-C and the DVB-C has the TV-connectors (see pictures at
http://www.pbase.com/proempiet/matrox). I want to remove this DVB-C card but then I also wil lose my PC TV-out. What I need is the Pinout layout from the RR card so I can make a connector just like the one in the manaul (
http://www.matrox.com/mga.../rr_studio_tv/rrsteng.pdf page 5).
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posted December 11, 2002 01:41 PM
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Hi,
I've asked our German office to look into this for you.
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posted December 11, 2002 03:05 PM
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The same is applicable for me! I have also acquired the same system, and I am here with the same question. But I think that the answer can be given by matrox, since we want to know what the pin-layout is of what they call connector 3, as described in the RR-manual. In other words we like to copy the connection-cable that normaly comes with a Retail rainbowrunner.
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posted December 11, 2002 03:20 PM
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If you 2 are talking about the ribbon cable connector, we unfortunately cannot give out the pin outs becuase it's a proprietary connector.
If all you want to do is make that ribbon cable, you don't need to know the pin assignments as a straight thru connector will do fine.
BTW, if you get rid of the dvb card, the tuner will not work alone. You need to get the Mystique or the Mill II along with an RRS for the Mystique or the Mill II.
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posted December 12, 2002 01:36 PM
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Haig,
According the manual of the Rainbow runner page 5 there is a "Video connector bracket" what we need is such a bracket (and the "Rainbow Runner connector) or if it is not available the layout so we can make our on bracket!
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posted December 12, 2002 02:29 PM
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That's over 7 years old for us so we don't have any parts available for it anymore.
All I can suggest is to contact Seimans and see if they can provide you with the parts.
Out of curiosity, even if you get the parts, how do you plan on using only the RRS tuner?
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posted December 13, 2002 06:03 AM
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To get thing straight:
We have a "Rainbow Runner TV" addon module on our machine (see
http://www.pbase.com/proempiet/matrox) this module has TV-out/TV-in functionality!
Or does the "Rainbow Runner TV" does not have this functionality?
The "Rainbow Runner Studio" (simular card) has TV-out/TV-in functionality also and it has a "Video connector bracket" so we need such a bracket or the pinout from the "Rainbow Runner TV" so we can make it our selfs.
We just want to put the video of our Windows desktop to the input of a TV!
Come on Haig PLEASE if the product is 7 years old you should be able give us the pinout ;-)
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posted December 13, 2002 09:18 AM
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Gents,
the "Rainbow Runner TV" addon module ONLY has a tv tuner on it for clients to watch tv on their pc.
This addon module will ONLY work if you have a Millenium II or a Mystique 220 graphic card AND a Rainbow Runner Studio capture card.
If you have the Rainbow Runner Studio capture card, you still need 1 of the above mentioned capture cards.
Which ever of the 2 add on cards you have, how do you plan on using it without our graphic card attached to it?
Come on Haig PLEASE if the product is 7 years old you should be able give us the pinout ;-)
If it wasn't a proprietary format, I wouldn't even be pro-longing this thread
You folks have to goto siemans and see if they can give it out.
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posted December 13, 2002 10:22 AM
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Graig,
We have some communcation problem (maybe my mistake please take a look at my PBase site).
The Siemens systemboard (mainboard) has a Matrox Mistique VGA card onboard!
Link to the mainboard manual (
http://manuals.fujitsu-si.../A26361-D1025-Z120-US.pdf). So your line:
>>This addon module will ONLY work if you have a Millenium II or a Mystique 220 graphic card AND a Rainbow Runner Studio capture card.
We meet that requirement.
The "Rainbow Runner TV" module is attached to the mainboards Matrox Mistique VGA card.
(see picture
http://www.pbase.com/proempiet/matrox)
So my idea was that on of the connectors (on the "Rainbow Runner TV" I think there name were J2 and J3) should have TV-video signal on it.
Haig is this true???? Or is it not???
If it is true could you give us the pinout.
If this is not true what do we need to get TV-out from the Matrox Mystique (They sell Rainbow Runner TV ISA real cheap on Matrox now
http://shopmatrox.com/europe/products/datasheet.asp?ID=109).
Haig, now I had a look at the Shopmatrox site I see how we got the communication problem the "Rainbow Runner TV" on my Siemens set top box is realy different from your ISA "Rainbow runner TV" that one has a tv-tuner on it but ours does not (see pictures at my pbase account).
Could you please have a look again at our problem and try to find an answer.
About 450 of these boxes are sold the last month so you could do us a real favor.
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posted December 13, 2002 10:55 AM
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The Siemens systemboard (mainboard) has a Matrox Mistique VGA card onboard
Link to the mainboard manual
Only item that I can get from that manual is that ther Mystique is on board, as you say. There should be 2 sets of connecters on the motherboard which belongs to the Mystique.
That means that you have a Rainbow Runner Studio capture card (not the TV module) connected to these 2 connectors.
Please confirm.
For the record, our tv tuner card gets connected to the RRS capture card via ribbon cable.
The "Rainbow Runner TV" module is attached to the mainboards Matrox Mistique VGA card.(see picture ]http://www.pbase.com/proempiet/matrox)
http://www.pbase.com/image/8806502
The rainbow runner capture card looks like it's attached to the motherboard. The big pci card on top with the tv tuner is not our card.
So my idea was that on of the connectors (on the "Rainbow Runner TV" I think there name were J2 and J3) should have TV-video signal on it.
It has alot more than that but yes, if we're talking about the 2 long connectors where the RRS capture is connected to, the tv video signal is in there.
If I understand all this correctly, our RRS capture card is connected to the 2 large sets of connectors on the motherboard which belongs to the Mytique graphic card which is on the motherboard.
If this is correct, why would you have a problem if you remove the dvb card?
Only issue I see with this is whether or not our retail version of the video tools and matching display drivers will work on this system. Only Seiman's would be able to answer that.
I talked to our German office who deal with Seimans and they recommend that you should be talking to Seimans as alot of custom work was done for their system.
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posted December 13, 2002 03:35 PM
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Only item that I can get from that manual is that ther Mystique is on board, as you say. There should be 2 sets of connecters on the motherboard which belongs to the Mystique.
Yes, there are two conectors where the "Rainbow Runner Studio"/ "Rainbow Tunner TV"(That is what it is on the sticker see Pbase) is connected to.
That means that you have a Rainbow Runner Studio capture card (not the TV module) connected to these 2 connectors.
Please confirm.
I think so but it is saying "Rainbow Runner TV" on a sticker but I think also that it is a Rainbow Runner studio? The numbers I can find on the module are:
Sticker with the text
"21686223 ABG PCS
S26361-D0139-V1
Rainbow Runner TV"
Sticker with the text
"MGA-MYST/RRSTI
Assambled in
Canada 215"
On the PCB there are the following number:
"VCLEM-1 3497
5100-17 94V-0" on the other side "Matrox 622_0201 RAV a Copyright 1997" sticker with "4005100 S/N 0884" barcode with human readable "AAQ5634"
The rainbow runner capture card looks like it's attached to the motherboard. The big pci card on top with the tv tuner is not our card.
No thats not your card that is the Siemens DVB-C tuner card. That on is connected to the Rainbow Runner Studio card with a ribbon cable to connetor J3.
It has alot more than that but yes, if we're talking about the 2 long connectors where the RRS capture is connected to, the tv video signal is in there.
The connector I am talking about are J2 and J3 these are 15 pin's connectors on one of them the DVB-C card is connected with the ribbon cable.
If I understand all this correctly, our RRS capture card is connected to the 2 large sets of connectors on the motherboard which belongs to the Mytique graphic card which is on the motherboard.
If this is correct, why would you have a problem if you remove the dvb card?
I do not have any problem in removing the DVB-C card but the (PC Windows dekstop) TV-out is going from the RRS card to the DVB-C card (ribbon cable). Then there is a ribbon cable going from the DVB-C card to the back of the machine and on this there is the TV-out from the DVB-C and also the TV-out from the RRS card.
So as far as I can see now I need the Pinout from the RRS card connector J3 (or J2) because on this connector there should be an (PC Windows desktop) TV-out (and maybe a TV-in).
Or what I said in my first post. What I need is the Pinout layout from the RR card so I can make a connector just like the one in the manaul (
http://www.matrox.com/mga.../rr_studio_tv/rrsteng.pdf page 5)
If at least if it is a Rainbow Runner Studio and not a Rainbow Runner TV (what I do not think because there is no tuner on it)
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posted December 13, 2002 03:45 PM
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If you want to get the composite and s-video input/output from the RRS capture card (this is what you have), then this will not work.
On the retail Mystique card, we have a 2nd HD type connector on the bracket. On this bracket, we have our break out cable that has the connections for the s-video and composite input/output.
I am assuming that this HD type connector is no where on this seimans system, meaning that by removing the dvb board, there is no chance on getting these inputs/outputs to work, even if they gave you the pin outs.
From what you are telling me, that ribbon cable is just being used as a pass thru to get access to the graphic card for the overlay support. I'm guessing that Seimans had to put in the RRS card so that you can get the input/output support as well.
I repeat, please contact Seimans to see if they have a solution for you.
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posted December 16, 2002 09:52 AM
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If you want to get the composite and s-video input/output from the RRS capture card (this is what you have), then this will not work.
Why not, I see that Matrox has a connector bracket for the RRS?
On the retail Mystique card, we have a 2nd HD type connector on the bracket. On this bracket, we have our break out cable that has the connections for the s-video and composite input/output.
Sorry I do not understand (what do you mean with HD connector), does dis mean that we have a special RRS addon module?
I am assuming that this HD type connector is no where on this seimans system, meaning that by removing the dvb board, there is no chance on getting these inputs/outputs to work, even if they gave you the pin outs.
Correct, by removing the DVB-C card we also remove the TV-out functionality from the RRS because it has to a pass tru the DVB-C
From what you are telling me, that ribbon cable is just being used as a pass thru to get access to the graphic card for the overlay support. I'm guessing that Seimans had to put in the RRS card so that you can get the input/output support as well.
I also think so!
I repeat, please contact Seimans to see if they have a solution for you.
I keep trying because how I see it is when the TV-out/TV-in is on the RRS pins somewhere Matrox should be able to tel me on which pins (J2/J3) I should make/solder an ribbon cable and have composite and s-video input/output
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posted December 16, 2002 09:57 AM
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This is how our retail card works regarding the Rainbow Runner studio.
The Mystique graphic card is needed. The Rainbow Runner Studio card is attahced to the 2 long connectors that are on the Mystique.
This will give you composite and s-video in and out via the 2nd connector on the Mystique card.
Then we have the Rainbow Runner TV Tuner add on card which gets connected to the Rainbow Runner Studio capture card via ribbon cable.
Whatever you folks are trying to do and need, you must get it from Seimans, you have to make sure that their driver for whatever package you are using is going to work without the dvb card, and most importantly, you have to make sure that this system of theirs has that 2nd connector for the Mystique card.
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posted December 17, 2002 05:58 AM
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This will give you composite and s-video in and out via the 2nd connector on the Mystique card.
Ok now we are getting somewhere. It was me who was having trouble with your explaination sorry. So we are missing the connector on the onboard Mistique.
One more question, what kind of signal is on the connectors J2 and J3 (I messuered on and there are a lot ground pins). Can we build some hardware of our one and create TV-out our selfs (hardware modding)?
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posted December 17, 2002 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by Haig:
This is how our retail card works regarding the Rainbow Runner studio.
The Mystique graphic card is needed. The Rainbow Runner Studio card is attahced to the 2 long connectors that are on the Mystique.
This will give you composite and s-video in and out via the
2nd connector on the Mystique card.
Then we have the Rainbow Runner TV Tuner add on card which gets connected to the Rainbow Runner Studio capture card via ribbon cable.
Whatever you folks are trying to do and need, you must get it from Seimans, you have to make sure that their driver for whatever package you are using is going to work without the dvb card, and most importantly, you have to make sure that this system of theirs has that 2nd connector for the Mystique card.
Regards
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If I may add something to the confusion. I think we, I am looking for exactly the same cable, need the Video connector bracket that was supplied with the RRS for Millennium II AGP. I also found out that this cable could be ordered at some Canadian company for the IBM 300 PL system. Unfortunately the mentioned e-mail address doesn exist anymore.
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