gambieter schreef op woensdag 21 augustus 2013 @ 02:08:
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Als je er nu eens voor zou zetten "ik vind dat ..." ipv dit soort anti-propaganda als feiten te presenteren. Het is alleen jouw visie die heel erg gekleurd is door je eigen angsten. Is het echt zo moeilijk om een keer niet extreem gekleurde visies weer te geven?
"Ik vind" ervoor zetten, dat doe je niet bij feiten. Dan bagatelliseer je de boel. Ik doe dat heel bewust
niet.
Van wikipedia:
[b]The Brotherhood's stated goal is to instill the Qur'an and Sunnah as the "sole reference point for ...ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community ... and state." The movement is known for engaging in political violence, claiming responsibility for the installation of Hamas.[8] Muslim Brotherhood members are suspected to have assassinated political opponents like Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmoud an-Nukrashi Pasha.
The Brotherhood's credo was and is, "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."[15][16]
The submission of the brotherhood's members under these credo accords to their absolute obedience to the Muslim Brotherhood's leadership.[17] The Brotherhood's English language website describes the principles of the Muslim Brotherhood as including firstly the introduction of the Islamic Sharia as "the basis for controlling the affairs of state and society" and secondly, work to unify "Islamic countries and states, mainly among the Arab states, and liberating them from foreign imperialism"
Als de MB zegt dat haar enige bron de sharia is, dan kun je hun uitspraken pas begrijpen wanneer je de sharia kent. Woorden als vrijheid, democratie en mensenrechten hebben daarin een vrijwel tegenovergestelde betekenis van wat wij er onder verstaan.
Het raamwerk van de democratie is voor de MB dus de sharia. De sharia is antidemocratisch, aldus het
ECHR:
The Court concurs in the Chamber’s view that sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy, as set forth in the Convention.
It was determined that it would "do away with the State's role as the guarantor of individual rights and freedoms" and "
infringe the principle of non-discrimination between individuals as regards their enjoyment of public freedoms, which is one of the fundamental principles of democracy"
Wikipedia: Sharia
Over preventieve maatregelen tegen anti-democratische sharia partijen zegt de ECHR het volgende:
In its judgment1, the Court first noted that freedom of thought, of religion, of expression and of association as guaranteed by the Convention could not deprive the authorities of a State in which an association, through its activities, jeopardised that State’s institutions, of the right to protect those institutions.
It necessarily followed that a political party whose leaders incited to violence or put forward a policy which failed to respect democracy or which was aimed at the destruction of democracy and the flouting of the rights and freedoms recognised in a democracy, could not lay claim to the Convention’s protection against penalties imposed on those grounds. Such penalties could even, where there was a sufficiently established and imminent danger for democracy, take the form of preventive intervention.
Noting that the Welfare Party (Turkije) had pledged to set up a regime based on sharia law, the Court found that sharia was incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy as set forth in the Convention.
According to the Court, it was difficult to declare one’s respect for democracy and human rights while at the same time supporting a regime based on sharia.
http://echr.coe.int/Documents/Annual_report_2003_ENG.pdf
Kortom, wanneer een partij de sharia als enige bron voor alle wetgeving nastreeft, is zij anti-democratisch en kan dat een argument zijn om preventief in te grijpen.
Mubarak (ongeacht wat je over hem vindt) zei het volgende over de MB:
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YouTube: http://youtu.be/H8iHOULhH_4]
So they [Brotherhood and affiliates] took advantage of the economic situation by handing out money, to one man 100 Egyptian pounds, or about $30 dollars, [saying,] “Here take this bag of glycerin and throw it here,” or do this or that—to create a state of instability in Egypt. And these groups—don’t ever believe that they want democracy or anything like that. They are exploiting democracy in order to eliminate democracy. And if they ever do govern, it will be an ugly dictatorship.
De oprichter van de MB, de nazi collaborateur
Hassan al Banna zei het volgende:
“It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.
We want the Islamic flag to be hoisted once again on high, fluttering in the wind, in all those lands that have had the good fortune to harbor Islam for a certain period of time and where the muzzein’s call sounded in the takbirs and the tahlis. Then fate decreed that the light of Islam be extinguished in these lands that returned to unbelief. Thus Andalusia, Sicily, the Balkans, the Italian coast, as well
as the islands of the Mediterranean, are all of them Muslim Mediterranean colonies and they must return to the Islamic fold. The Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea must once again become Muslim seas, as they once were."
http://www.discoverthenet...oupProfile.asp?grpid=6386
Een
rapport van Investigative Project on Terrorism zegt het volgende over de MB:
The Muslim Brotherhood seeks to restore the historical Caliphate and then expand its
authority over the entire world, dismantling all non-Islamic governments. The Brotherhood aims to accomplish this through a combination of warfare – both violent and political.
The Muslim Brotherhood has provided the ideological model for almost all modern Sunni Islamic terrorist groups. When discussing Hamas, Al Qaeda, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Richard Clarke – the chief counterterrorism adviser on the U.S. National Security Council under Presidents Clinton and Bush – told a Senate committee in 2003 that “The common link here is the extremist Muslim Brotherhood – all of these organizations are descendants of the membership and ideology of the Muslim Brothers".
Ik kan nog wel even doorgaan. De #1 van Al Qaida begon bij de MB, enz. Het is een beerput. Maar zit je hier nu werkelijk op te wachten? Uit ervaring weet ik dat mij dit niet in dank afgenomen wordt. Teveel bronnen is immers "propaganda". Ik kan de beerput echter niet mooier maken dan die is.
Het is een kwestie van de informatie serieus nemen, en niet wegwuiven als "islamofobe propaganda". In Egypte nemen ze de MB en waar die voor staat ook serieus en grote delen van het volk zien daarin de bedreiging, die ik probeer te belichten.
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