RSAttak576

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Hi,

RSAttak576 project aims to break the 576 bits RSA key proposed by the www.rsasecurity.com website.

After registering, you'll be able to download the RSAttak client, running under Windows, Linux and some other UNIX systems, that will allow you to participate the challenge of factorizing a 576 bits-encoded number.

The client is very simple (you'll find an online mini-howto in the download section)

www.rsattak.fr.st

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Misschien is het aardigals je naast deze quote ook een klein berichtje typte. Hierin kan bijvoorbeeld aangeven wat we met deze info moeten.

Wil je dat de DPC hier ook aan gaat meedoen?

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I don't understand...can you speak french or english please ?

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Verwijderd schreef op 14 March 2003 @ 14:09:
I don't understand...can you speak french or english please ?

Hi! In short: Is this a new project? Do you wish us to participate?

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yes...you can registering under the Dutch Power Cows on the www.rsattak.fr.st web site...

thanks you

[ShadowrunR]

Heh? This is funny. We don't have very much non-dutch members here I don't know if they want to participate because they have already a lot of projects. Are you maybe the starter of the project or so?

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L.S. : Team AMD users werd verwelkomd na het inbrengen van maar liefst 4 processoren, dus dit word wel een killerproject

Orkblutt: Thanks for the info. I myself will stick to folding@home but maybe some of the other cows have some idle time to donate. Good crunching!

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ShadowrunR schreef op 14 March 2003 @ 14:21:
Heh? This is funny. We don't have very much non-dutch members here I don't know if they want to participate because they have already a lot of projects to do.

Orkblutt heeft zijn eigen team.

[ShadowrunR]

Verwijderd schreef op 14 maart 2003 @ 14:22:
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Orkblutt heeft zijn eigen team.

Zag het juist op de site idd.

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ShadowrunR schreef op 14 March 2003 @ 14:24:
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Zag het juist op de site idd.

WHAT ??
lol
speak english please

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[Zephyer]

First time i saw ... DOS attak ..

[Qwerty-273]

I am just wondering.. How you are going to 'break' the factor

I mean. which sieving technic do you use? or what algorithm is in place for finding it?
The NEO Project also tried to attack this contest but used a pseudo random number. Which in general is way way way slower than sieving and well with randomness you have little chance in finding the 2 factors. So. what do you use?

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-*kuchspamkuch*-

mwa; project wordt wel al meegerekend op http://www.msu.edu/~bercikda/rank_math.html
Meestal staat het daar pas tussen als het een "redelijk" opgezet DC-project is...

[Zephyer]

*spit* *spit*

Will the client be open-source?
For the same reasons as the famous projects Distributed.net, Seti@home, etc, the sources of the client cannot be put on line... Our will of concerver "the integrity" of calculations, to hope to break the r576, obliges us to keep secret all the part of the code concerning the communication of the results with the servers. A light version (without the protocols of identification...) will be placed at the disposal in a few times on http://project.tuxfamily.org/rsattak576. Patience...

Does the client need a permanent internet connection to work?
Yes, for the moment... The client needs after some seconds of connection to starting then calculation of each package. For example, on a AMD xp2000+ the customer must, when it functions with full mode, being connected approximately 1/100 of second (on a connection ADSL for example...) every 50 seconds and it does not saturate of anything your connection because the volume of the infos which it communicates is very low (some bytes hardly...). A future version of the client will stock informations on your hard drive, allowing you to run it in offline-mode.

Leuk voor modem gebruikers

Can I run more than one client with the same login on different boxes?
Yope! And you should do so if you have access to different boxes, because you'll have a better chance to find the winning one. Using the same login on different hostnames or on different boxes of the same hostname is totally allowed by the server.

What represents a computing-packet ?
For each packet, the client "brews" approximately 30 000 000 prime numbers by making a series of operations with 576 bits key. These prime numbers have a size variables: from 43 to 288 bits. That explains the variation of time that there can be for the 2 differents packages computing... On average, a given rhythm 1Ghz CPU, will complet packet computation in less than 1 minute. That varies, well on also, according to the use which you make of your CPU resources ...

Can one take part in the challenge with C_RSAttakWin32?
Not! This small utility is not connected in any to the RSAttak576 servers... It just makes it possible to factorize, under a Windows consol, numbers coded on unbounded N-bits of precision. Well on you do not wait to break the r576 or others key of the same gauge with this utility... with less than one "chance inouie" the computing time with your only CPU and without precise results management would be astronomical... Moreover, not having managed the windows restriction CPU time kernel, the utility bugs after several hour of cumputing, if it did not find the result before... visualizing small "How to" return on the downloads page. The code source of this small software, to compile under MSVC++6, do not really illustrating the RSAttak_client factoring algorithm ,will be in a few weeks on line...

How does the management of the teams function?
You belong to a team of distributed calculations and you want to take part in calculations as a member of this team... It is very simple: during your subscribing, specify well the name of your team. The packages which you will calculate will be allotted but to your team also... You will be able to soon follow "top 10" of the teams in the Statistiques part of this site, like much of other information...

Teams Number: 10
Team's Name Users Number Computed packets
RSAttakZ 25 605398
AMD Users 28 87193
ExtremeDC 10 43293
Securiteinfo.com 5 29543
Lea-linux.org 15 16561
Free-DC 4 10910
Les Solitaires 32 5109
Matrix World Team 4 2920
Rechenkraft.net 11 916
Dutch Power Cows 1 0

LOL .... DPC joined

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I use chaos to genere prime number (30 000 000 in each packet) and I do brute force...
The 2e part of sieving methode is very hard and requiere a big computer...(c90...)
I can to re-use a little part of brute force results with quadratic sieve algorithm..but on C90 also

[job]

ik heb me aangemeld om te kijken wat het is en hoe het werkt.
ik heb echter nog geen activatie mailtje gehad, dus het kan nog even duren voordat ik wat info heb.

raar genoeg was er al een dutch power cows team aangemeld, ik heb me daar bij toegevoegd.

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I don't understand...speak english pleeeeaaase!

[MarkB]

Verwijderd schreef op 14 maart 2003 @ 15:21:
-*kuchspamkuch*-

mwa; project wordt wel al meegerekend op http://www.msu.edu/~bercikda/rank_math.html
Meestal staat het daar pas tussen als het een "redelijk" opgezet DC-project is...

What projects are included?

There are a few requirements for a project to be listed here. First, the project must be a distributed "computing" project. Projects that count keystrokes (and their kin) will not be tracked.
Second, the project must support separate team statistics.
Third, at least five of the listed teams must participate in the project. If you know of a project that meets these guidelines and is not listed, contact me and I'll see what I can do about tracking it.

[job]

oke, m'n client draait nu.
tis een vrij kale client (commandline) je ziet geen stats o.i.d.

het lijkt mij een wedstrijd uitgeschreven door een bedrijf om hun encryptie methode te testen. dus er is niet echt een groter achterliggend doel.

english:
i'm testing te client right now.
it's a very simple client (command line), no stats.

i don't really understand the reason to join this distributed computing contest.
as far as i can see, the contest is started bij rsasecurity to test their own encryption method.

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i don't really understand the reason to join this distributed computing contest.
as far as i can see, the contest is started bij rsasecurity to test their own encryption method.

lol...money??
NOOOO!!

The true goal of RSAttak576 is to test its paralellized factorization algorithm and to prove its power ...

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Wel moet worden opgemerkt dat de client weinig geheugen verbruikt. Een nadeel lijkt alleen dat je iedere keer weer je username en wachtwoord in moet kloppen , dit kan waarschijnlijk vrij simpel opgelost worden . Ook MFen lijkt vooralsnog uitgesloten.
Ik zal straks zelf kijken hoe goed je dit via het netwerk kan draaien en of een P4 hier een beetje fatsoenlijke snelheid haalt.
Andere pro zijn de realtime stats, alleen stellen deze nog niet veel voor

One notice is that the client is not using that much ram. A negative thing is that it seems that you've got to re-enter your username and password everytime you restart the client , this could probally be solved pretty easy.
I will test the client later this evening on how it's running on a network and if a P4 shows his speed with this client.
Another good thing is that the stats are realtime, only bad thing for the stats is that it isn't much stats

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yes a new client version will use a texte file with authentification informations...
This version do not support proxy or firewall...

[job]

hoe wil je een p4 en amd vergelijken. zoals op de site staat geschreven verschilt elk pakketje van grote, dus dat is moeilijk te vergelijken.
je kan in de client gewoon weg niets zien van de snelheid.


how can ik compare an p4 with an amd processor?
each packet has an different size.
the client doesn't show a speed

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hoe wil je een p4 en amd vergelijken. zoals op de site staat geschreven verschilt elk pakketje van grote, dus dat is moeilijk te vergelijken.
je kan in de client gewoon weg niets zien van de snelheid.

I will let my P4 and AMD crunch for the same ammount of time and then compare how much work they've done. It would be very weird if the P4 got all the big ones . I know this is not a very exact method.

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Verwijderd schreef op 14 maart 2003 @ 15:26:
I use chaos to genere prime number (30 000 000 in each packet) and I do brute force...
The 2e part of sieving methode is very hard and requiere a big computer...(c90...)
I can to re-use a little part of brute force results with quadratic sieve algorithm..but on C90 also

It sounds intresting and i hope your source will be public (just the pure calculation part i mean ) indeed it is time that RSA 576 needs to be factored soon (well this or next year or so)

[CaLeX]

weer een project erbij

vertaling:

NOT ANOTHER FREAKING PROJECT

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how can ik compare an p4 with an amd processor?
each packet has an different size.
the client doesn't show a speed

today each packet have about same size (about 30 000 000 prime number on 120 Bits....)

You can compare speed...it's not very exact but I think AMD cpu is faster


New client version will be to display speed and keys rates

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It sounds intresting and i hope your source will be public (just the pure calculation part i mean ) indeed it is time that RSA 576 needs to be factored soon (well this or next year or so)

it 'll be soon

[0rbit]

So are we #1 yet?

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Mr_Atheist schreef op 14 maart 2003 @ 19:27:
So are we #1 yet?

If you at a zero behind that 1 you've our current ranking , but we will rise someday .

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You've probally seen me around on the Dutch Power Cows forum. I decided to start working on some statistics, but now I was wondering if it would be possible to reach an html page with only the user statistics table on it, and no other code/design?
If it's possible then how?
If not is it possible to create it?

ok
no problem
I will do it...
Try on http://rsa576.d2g.biz:8080/tools for users table
If you want more details...say me
thanks

[X-G]

Well, mez runnin' the project 2. This lol, because we only need about 40 people and we could be nr. 1! So, who has 40 compu's over?

Anywayz. More stats would be cool, and offcourse a little notice how far the packet is computed but you was working on that. Small projects are always fun.

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ok
no problem
I will do it...
Try on http://rsa576.d2g.biz:8080/tools for users table
If you want more details...say me
thanks

What more info can you give?

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heuuuu

a little Team Stats at http://rsa576.d2g.biz:8080/en/teams/DPC

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[X-G]

Well, i have 2 say i like this project. There are only 2 things which you really have 2 solve:
- offline modus, let us download 10.000 packets, so i don't need 2 be always online
- loggin' in. in a word: it's irritating 2 do this every day again.

The good things are that I with my PII 233 make very much results. Strangely enough i have already 7 packets. Maybe it would be a good idea if DPC would do this project with one bigger team (about 20 - 40 computers) and we would be very fast number one.....

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- offline modus, let us download 10.000 packets, so i don't need 2 be always online
- loggin' in. in a word: it's irritating 2 do this every day again.

yes...
I'm working on it...

thanks

[X-G]

No thnx.
When do u think you have the new client ready? I think when you have a good client with lot's more statistics and so on, this could get 2 be a very big project.

Be the way, howmany packets are we having 2 compute?

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Aangezien de afgelopen twee topics over nieuwe projecten gepost door de opzetters van deze projecten op slot zijn gezet onder het kopje 'spam' moet dat met deze ook maar gebeuren...

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I forgot about an Englisch translation, thnx KoW & DSmarty...
"Since the last two topics on new, non 'DPC' projects started by party's concerned were locked with the arguement of 'spam' or advertisment, so should this."

When DPC members are interested in a project they will join on their own accord, we prefer our members not to be actively drafted by any or all projects.