[alg] Spelletjes spelen verboden bij wet in Griekenland

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  • LaitSolaire
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Tuesday September 03, 2002

Play games in Greece, GO TO JAIL! >> 02:43 PM - Marcus Yam
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Absurdity. Ignorance. Those are just two of the words that come to mind after hearing the latest news from Greece. A law recently passed by the Greek government bans all electronic games.

All of them?
Yes, ALL of them.

This encompasses every form of gaming, including portable handhelds like Game Boys and even games on mobile phones. ZDUK:

Law Number 3037, enacted at the end of July, explicitly forbids electronic games with 'electronic mechanisms and software' from public and private places, and people have already been fined tens of thousands of euros for playing or owning games.

Internet cafes are allowed to continue to operate, providing all gaming is prohibited: if a client is found to be running any sort of game, including online chess, the café owner will be fined and the place closed. The law applies equally to visitors from abroad: "If you know these things are banned, you should not bring them in," said the commercial attaché at the Greek Embassy in London -- who declined to give her name.

Apparently this law was passed in an effort to crack down on internet gambling. Of course, it appears that the Greek government is incapable of distinguishing Metal Gear Solid from video poker. No, really--they have admitted as much.

According to the Greek newspaper Kathimerini, "The police will be responsible for catching offenders, who will face fines of 5,000 to 75,000 euros and imprisonment of one to 12 months. The blanket ban was decided in February after the government admitted it was incapable of distinguishing innocuous video games from illegal gambling machines." One online report said that even watching a film on DVD -- many of which contain promotional games linked to the movie -- had resulted in an arrest and a 10,000-euro fine.

<sigh>...I don't understand it. It's all Greek to me.
Vetgedrukt zelf toegevoegd.

Bronnen:
http://firingsquad.gamers...article.asp?searchid=4362
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2121692,00.html

Onvoorstelbaar dat men zo'n onnauwkeurige wet erdoor heeft weten te jagen. Als iemand links heeft naar artikelen die er wat dieper op ingaan of zelf jurist is en weet of deze wet binnen het kader van het Europees recht houdbaar is, ben ik daar zeer benieuwd naar.

  • DeeJee
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Dus...

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Idd al een keer langsgeweest :).

  • LaitSolaire
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Sorry, maar ik ga me niet excuseren ;)

Ik heb gezocht op het woord 'Griekenland' en vond niets mbt dit onderwerp. Als ik op de link klik geeft deze een error. Wellicht heb ik te weinig rechten om het te lezen?

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Gezocht op alle voor mij toegankelijke delen. Op de eerste 4 pagina's was niets te vinden. (scouts honour ;))

[ Voor 0% gewijzigd door LaitSolaire op 04-09-2002 17:03 . Reden: reactie op Refried Noodle ]


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Alleen in SP gezocht, of ook in NSTM, waar het topic staat?

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tis overigens niet eens waar, gewwon een duidelijke HOAX

  • G1itch
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Nope, geen hoax..

Het staat op slashdot, dus het is waar. ;)
(zie ook de griekse krant Kathimerini)

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niks te vinden op CNN, plus het is zo absurd dat ik ook vermoed dat het stierenpoep is

  • NaliXL
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Verwijderd schreef op 04 september 2002 @ 16:04:
tis overigens niet eens waar, gewwon een duidelijke HOAX
Als dát een hoax is, heeft iemand dat héél goed aangepakt. Zie o.a. http://www.gamblinglicenses.com/ , http://www.prophecy.co.za/news/news.asp?pid=2324&page=1 , http://www.overclockers.com/tips00103/ etc.

Zie voor meer info http://www.google.nl/sear...=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=nl&lr=


In ieder geval : dit als dit een hoax is, is het niet zomaar de eerste de beste....

Gekkenhuis overigens. Alle spellen met electronica erin verwerkt. Kermissen etc. kunnen daar ook wel opdoeken...

Genoeg is meer dan veel, en tart den overvloed


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Het gaat dus alleen over spelcomputers in openbare gebouwen, niet voor gebruik thuis. In het eerste verhaal staat dat het ook 'in private' verboden is, dat is dus niet zo blijkbaar: bron
bron 2

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Neeeeeeeeeee, kan ik geen pokemon meer op mn gbc spelen :PPPP

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sporen ook nie daar, wat moet je dan doen zo'n hele dag

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Errm... een leven leiden? :P

Griekenland is een cool land, lekker weer, mooie stranden, zat te doen :).

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hier is al een topic voor :P

Games verboden in Griekenland

  • LaitSolaire
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Ik heb in ieder geval geen toegang tot dat forum, maar hier is de vertaalde wettekst:
LAW NUMBER 3037 - 30 July 2002

GAMING PROHIBITION

The President of Greek Republic
We issue the following law which was voted by the Greek Parliament

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Article 1
Game categories
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According to notion of the commands of the current law:
a. Mechanical games are those, that depend on one's muscle force.
b. Electrical games are those, that depend on electrical mechanisms.
c. Electromechanical games are those that depend on electrical mechanisms and the use of one's muscle force.
d. Electronic games are those, that depend on both electrical-electronic mechanisms and software.
e. Entertainment technical games are those, whose result depends exclusively on the ability and skill of the
player, and are used solely for entertainment.

The category (e) also includes all card games which had been characterised as
"technical" games, according to the statement of law F.E.K A21.


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Article 2
Game prohibition
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1. Operation and installation of any game of type (b), (c) and (d) of Article 1, including computer games,
placed in public places such as hotels, cafeterias, organization halls and in any other public or private
place, is prohibited.
2. Operation of games of type (e) is allowed in devices of type (a). Regarding these games, it is prohibited to place bets.
Such bets will attract penalties described in Articles 4 and 5.


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Article 3
Internet cafes
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The prohibition of using computers described in Article 2 does not affect internet cafes, as long as the computers
are not used for any gaming activities.

To be able to run an Internet cafe, a special permit is required from the municipal or the state where the
company is based) and from its starting point (port) if it is a boat based company. According to the first
application of this measure, the company should be equipped with this permit in three months
from the issue date of this law.


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Article 4
Criminal sanctions
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1. Any persons who manage or depend on centres or other places as described in paragraph 1 of Article 2
where games prohibited by the previous Articles are in use or even exist, will be penalised with at least
three months of jail plus a fine of at least 5,000 Euros. If this offense is repeated, the penalty will be at least
one year of jail plus a fine between 25,000 and 75,000 Euros. The court will also command the confiscation
of all those games.
2. The orders for the games of type "c", in paragraph 1, paragraph 3 and 4 of Article 7 of the coded command
29/1971 are followed accordingly.


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Article 5
Administrative sanctions
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1. Apart from the criminal sanctions, if it is found that a prohibited game, according to the commands of the previous
articles, there will be a fine of 10,000 Euros for every such game and permanent taking away of the business
license, according to the orders of Article 7.
2. The fine will be based on the decision of the corresponding authority, in paragraph 1 of Article 6, who had
found the violation. In this decision the violation will be described, the fine will be underlined, as well as the
order in use. Together with this decision, a copy of the violation report will be notified towards the violator.


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Article 6
Report of confirmation of violations
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1. The police authorities are responsible to enforce this law. The port authorities are responsible for boats
traveling domestically, and for any other boats staying at the corresponding port.
2. If the authorities for the "body for fighting financial crime" find violations of the law for the games, they
will impose the sanctions and will proceed to actions described in the previous article.


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Article 7
Authorization
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1. The terms, conditions, procedures and permits for Internet companies are determined by the common decision
of the Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Internal Affairs, Ministry of Public Administration, Ministry of Public Order
and Ministry of Trading.
2. A similar decision establishes the authority which enforces the taking away of business licenses, the
procedure of taking it away as well as any other necessary details for applying the orders of this law.


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Article 8
Tax returns
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Whoever has already paid " tax for running businesses with entertainment technical games" for 2002 for
electronical, electrical or electromechanical games, will have their tax returned corresponding to the time
of the publication of the law in the Government's Paper until the end of the year. No returns will be made
in the case of violation of the law for games and there is no awaiting court case in front of the Committee
in paragraph 4 of article 15 of law 2753/1999 (FEK 249 A').


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Article 9
Maintained and transitive orders
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1. With the orders of this law, there are no complications with the orders of the law 2206/1994 (FEK 62 A')
as well as the rest of the orders regarding casinos.
2. From the start of the enforcement of this law, the three-member game committees which are established by
the orders in paragraph 4 of article 15 of law 2753/1999, cease to exist. They will still exist though, until the
finish of check up of the game machines that had been binded by the auditor authorities and for which there
had been a reserve.


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Articles 10, 11, and 12 describe the changes in the laws only for card games and are not relative with the
game machine orders.
--------------------------


ATHENS 29th of July 2002


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END OF LAW 3037
*****************************


No responsibility is taken for any syntax, grammatical or translation mistakes.


Grand Master Peter

copied from GM Peter's Translation: http://www.gameland.gr/lawenglish.htm

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LaitSolaire schreef op 05 september 2002 @ 01:25:
Ik heb in ieder geval geen toegang tot dat forum, maar hier is de vertaalde wettekst:


[...]
Damn wat een stelletje randdebielen daar in de griekse regering. |:( Lijkt wel het taliban-regime daar...

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Ik heb ook geen toegang tot link. Kan wel in de huiskamer komen enzo. En wat die Grieken doen boeit me niet. Ik ben toch niet van plan er ooit heen te gaan. En nu zeker niet meer.

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vet vaag, kunnen heel wat mensen hun zaakie sluiten, was daar op vakantie stonden aardig wat gameshallen enzo, kost ze veel geld :S

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is dus een fout... alleen gokspellen waar je zelf de outcome van het spel niet kan bepalen, worden verboden... de rest blijft legaal....

Accessibility first


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Grieken zijn gek :P

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i want my share!!!

Ik ga daar gelijk noooooit meer op vakantie.

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dubbel :)
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