Belasting Forex

[Exinko]

Hello guys , im sorry for writing in english i understand dutch good but i dont know write very good sorry

I have a question guys , cause i m not sure how to move forward, in march this year i started with trading on forex, i started with 2000€ and i make profit 7000€ but of course i lost everything, but i dont know how to do it with taxes in netherland , can you gyus help me please ? Thank for your time

[Sissors]

Als je veel tijd erin steekt kan het als beroep worden gezien, en moet je inkomstenbelasting erover betalen. Gezien je resultaten zal dat sowieso niet snel het geval zijn. Dan hoef je alleen de normale vermogens(rendement)belasting te betalen. Die enkel afhankelijk is van hoeveel vermogen je hebt op 1 januari. Dat moet je invullen bij je belastingaangifte, verder hoef je er niks mee te doen.

[Exinko]

Ok , thanks for answer but what does it mean for me , deposit=2000€,profit=7000€, saldo=0
What i have to put to the aangifte ? Im crazy from this , and i dont want problems with belasting thanks

[99ruud99]

What was the value at 1 Jan? Current value is not important.

[Exinko]

My first deposit was 350€ thats ammount, so thats amount

[Juup]

Voor de belastingdienst telt eigenlijk alleen je saldo op 1 januari van elk jaar.
Alle winsten en verliezen daartussen worden genegeerd.

[ Voor 6% gewijzigd door Juup op 08-10-2022 23:34 ]

[Exinko]

Ok so my first deposit was 350€ ,19/05/2022 so this value im gonna put to my inkomstenbelasting right ? Thanks

[Lordy79]

Exinko schreef op zaterdag 8 oktober 2022 @ 23:41:
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Ok so my first deposit was 350€ ,19/05/2022 so this value im gonna put to my inkomstenbelasting right ? Thanks

Nee want op 01/01/2022 was er nog geen deposit en was het dus 0.
En als het nu, voor 01/01/2023 opnieuw 0 is, hoef je helemaal niets op te geven voor de inkomstenbelasting.

[McKaamos]

Exinko schreef op zaterdag 8 oktober 2022 @ 23:26:
My first deposit was 350€ thats ammount, so thats amount

It's pretty simple, really.
Profits made from trading, whether it be forex, stocks, crypto, etc is all part of "Box 3". So it counts as the same category as savings and bank accounts. Or even the money you stashed away in an old sock.

For tax purposes there's a reference date. That's the first of January of the year you file your taxes for.
So let's say it's now 2023 and you file taxes for 2022.
When asked for the value of your Box3 assets, you need to know the value they had on 01-01-2022.

The Dutch Belastingdienst does not calculate taxes on actual gains, so you do not need to know the result of every transaction made. They simply say that all Box3 assets generate income at a fixed rate. Whether that is interest on a savings account, dividends from stocks, trading currencies, etc does not matter to them.
Based on that fixed rate of gains, you pay a tax on those gains.

Depending on the total value of your Box3 assets, there are different tax rates.
https://www.belastingdien...en-uit-vermogen-over-2022

Also, there's a tax-free part. If your Box3 value is less than €50651, you pay no taxes on your Box3 assets at all.
https://www.belastingdien...gen/heffingsvrij_vermogen

Exinko schreef op zaterdag 8 oktober 2022 @ 23:41:
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Ok so my first deposit was 350€ ,19/05/2022 so this value im gonna put to my inkomstenbelasting right ? Thanks

You put 0, because that cash was added after 01-01-2022.
In your tax report for 2023 (which you file in 2024), you take the value that it has on 01-01-2023..
It always lags a year behind.

And lets say you quit forex trading before 31-12-2022 and withdraw all your assets from your broker back to your bank account, next tax filing will also be 0 for Forex trading.
But then the cash is in your bank account, which is also Box3. So if you need to pay tax, it'll be counted anyway.

[ Voor 20% gewijzigd door McKaamos op 08-10-2022 23:54 ]

[Exinko]

Guys now i understand , thank you so much thanks thanks thanks

[McKaamos]

Exinko schreef op zaterdag 8 oktober 2022 @ 23:54:
Guys now i understand , thank you so much thanks thanks thanks

You're welcome

Just an FYI: Be aware that our current Box3 tax model will change at some point in the future.
The method the Belastingdienst uses was ruled injust by the Hoge Raad.
The Belastingdienst will need to change their method to taxing actual gains, but that will probably start in 2026.

Short story about the current situation is simply that they wanna know how much you had on 1st of Jan of the previous year.
It really doesn't matter what it is or where it's stored, if it pays interest, dividends, profits from trading or doesn't gain you anything at all. All they wanna know is what it is worth on 01-01 one year ago, and that's what gets taxed.
But, you do have to specifiy what is is and where it sits because of anti-fraud reasons. They wanna know who to ask whether you're telling the truth.

[ Voor 34% gewijzigd door McKaamos op 09-10-2022 00:30 ]

[ZieMaar!]

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We verwachten meer inzet op dit forum. Zeker over belastingen is erg veel te vinden. Bij specifieke vragen kan je altijd een topic aanmaken, maar dit is (veel) te algemeen.