Buren Renovatie Badkamer - Water Overlast - English

[billiaz]

Hi all,

My dutch is not so good. My neighbhors on a 2under1 house from 1993. Decided to renovate their bathroom (with the whole house) and move the shouwer on the shared wall.

From the moment this happens I can hear them shower in the whole house. (living room, bedrooms etc). I have talked to them! but they do not hear the noise! and they do not care.

Reading the bouwbesluit from 1992. I can find that the pipes and facilities of bathroom shuold make a noise of 30db!

I use da company to measure this noise, and the noise coming to my home from them is 42 DB at bathroom and hall, and 38 in the rest of house. When they stop (with my ventilation off) i get a 28db reading.

What do you advice to do, except selling? Do I have any rights where I can make them ask their contractor to fix it?

[99ruud99]

it is easiest to put a wall in front of the existing wall and put insulation material in between.
It will be hard to force them into a renovation, or were the measurements done by an expert?

[Rukapul]

If you have any, contact your legal support insurance.

Do note that some transfer of noise has to be tolerated by neighbours, but of course not excessive.

99ruud99 schreef op zondag 15 november 2020 @ 17:23:
it is easiest to put a wall in front of the existing wall and put insulation material in between.
It will be hard to force them into a renovation, or were the measurements done by an expert?

The symptoms described indicate contact noise, which typically cannot be solved by adding another wall with insulation material in front.

In this case decoupling is needed at the origin of the problem.

[billiaz]

I have house legal insurance with neighb.

The noise check done by calibrated tool with expert. And the neighbhors said that if the renovation caused it, their contractor has insurance to fix it. In my case i do not care.

If i coul dhear it only on my hall way and my bathroom I would be ok. BUT having 40+ dba (decibel with A scale) measured on all my house during this is not.
I didn't decide to renovate my house and put a water pipe inside the shared wall. In the other hand, if a renovation damaged this. It is normal to fix it.

@99ruud99 sorry but if somebody else makes a mistake, I am not going to put a wall in my whole house! especially when this noise comes even over my music/tv... I had my dryer, standing next to it! and that was louder... not normal! as the dryer is in a room in the other side of the building.

It is a contact noise, as the pipes are touching the partition wall. But I have to prove I am not crazy.. by forcing myself to measure.

The bad is: I invited to hear it and tell me if they have the same noise from me to their home... but they are the kind of "I do not hear it, it doesn't exist"

@Rukapul thanks! I will talk to my rechtsbijstand. I have a Woon addition.

[Rukapul]

In my case a letter from the lawyer from rechtsbijstand was sufficient to get out of the impasse. We both took some measures resulting in an acceptable (but not perfect) solution regarding smell and noise issues after a kitchen renovation.

[billiaz]

@Rukapul I understand. Though was your issues layed down by a bouwbesluit? with clear limits?

Because currently for me the only solution is to move the shower tap back to original wall and not to gevel, or fix the contact noise by teaking proper measures... whcih both require to break that shower corner.
ofcourse after their hefty renovation (uitbouw/aanbouw, full house changes, floors, bathrooms... i believe they can pin it to their contractor and ask him to take care of the solution.

[Rukapul]

I had previous cases in mind (see rechtspraak.nl for jurisprudentie) but in this phase it hardly matters.

Don't focus on how to achieve the goal. These should be regarded mere ideas. It is perfectly well possible to put piping in a shared wall (it is probably a neighboring wall with air in between unless the houses are very very old) without noise issues.

Probably somebody with experience can listen and immediately tell the most likely cause and cost efficient fix.

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[billiaz]

Sure there is a fix, but first there is acknowledgment and understanding we are not crazy! but it is a serious issue.
When at night my Baby wakes from this noise. is enough to understand how loud is on his room (far from the bath).
I have no clue what the rules of 1993 are. and if the walls are anchored with gap or anything similar. He can put pipes in the wall, but take appropriate measures to no cause this contact noise.
With all this technology I suspect will be easy for them to find where the sound leaks/spreads.

Honestly the rule, you (third person) modified it and caused this noisance, you should also fix it one proven to be noisance. (this goes to the previous mention of me putting/renovating my bathroom extra wall. not that easy.

I will update once i know more. as still under recording/measuring with extra proof (different rooms)

@Rukapul thank you