English - Gaming PC ~1000 euros

[mastirias]

Greetings,

I do apologize for writing in English, however I am a student from Eindhoven and this site was my best searching tool for buying pc parts. This will be my first custom PC so I am quite nervous as I am inexperienced.

Wat wil je doen met je nieuwe systeem?
I would like to run smoothly the newest games such as Battlefield, WoW:WoD, Fallout series, AC series and such. Twitch streaming is another goal that I may require.

Wat mag het systeem gaan kosten?
I would like to aim for around 1000 euros + or - including deliveries.

Zijn er componenten of randapparatuur die je al hebt en mee wil nemen naar je nieuwe systeem?
Nope. Starting clean.

Wat denk je allemaal nodig te hebben?
Not that well informed to require something specific.

Heb je nog bepaalde (merk)voorkeuren?
Same answer as the previous question. No experience to have any preference.

Heb je nog bepaalde eisen/wensen?
I am not that annoyed by a bit of noise, as long as there isn't a jet launching as soon as I start the machine. In regard to power consumption, there is no limit.

Ga je overklokken?
I read a bit about overclocking, however it seems risky to me and I prefer to have a system that will last.

Here is the list I have come up to until now. I already ordered the RAM, because it was on sale. All the parts I searched through reviews and hoped they are decent.

#	Product	Prijs	Subtotaal
1	Intel Core i5-4460 Boxed	€ 180,80	€ 180,80
1	MSI Z97 GAMING 5	€ 143,-	€ 143,-
1	MSI GeForce GTX 970 GAMING 4G	€ 360,95	€ 360,95
1	Seagate Desktop HDD ST1000DM003, 1TB	€ 47,95	€ 47,95
1	Fractal Design Define R5 Zwart	€ 103,95	€ 103,95
1	Crucial Ballistix Tactical BLT2C4G3D1608ET3LX0CEU	€ 49,99	€ 49,99
1	Cooler Master GM G550M	€ 57,95	€ 57,95
Bekijk collectie Importeer producten		Totaal	€ 944,59

[MrFax]

Not sure why would put such a expensive overclocking motherboard without a overclockable CPU. I'm not that familiar in the non-OC segment but just something to note.

[br00ky]

Jammer genoeg zul je toch echt in het Nederlands moeten posten. In het verleden zijn alle Engelsetalige topics dan ook gesloten. Vooralsnog maken we geen uitzondering voor topics die verder volledig aan de eisen voldoen. Uiteraard kan je je topic wel door google translate gooien.

/edit: after some swift deliberation with the Community Manager, he concluded that English is okay, as long as you don't force others to reply in English.

[ Voor 21% gewijzigd door br00ky op 07-07-2015 16:31 ]

[JesseMacaw]

Hi! I'm completely comfortable answering in English.

Your motherboard is made for overclocking, however, your CPU isn't, so it's completely unnecessary. I put the most popular Intel 1150 board in my list. For graphics card, the GTX 970 STRIX from ASUS is often put forward, because it's mostly silent. I put in an SSD, because a computer of €500 or more without one is a no-go. The case, well, I just chose something I like myself . For the memory, I chose memory I've built a lot of computers with, and I really like it. For PSU, I chose one that is of better quality. The cables however, are not so pretty , but I think it's worth it.

#	Product	Prijs	Subtotaal
1	Intel Core i5-4460 Boxed	€ 180,80	€ 180,80
1	ASRock B85M Pro4	€ 64,-	€ 64,-
1	Asus STRIX-GTX970-DC2OC-4GD5	€ 367,95	€ 367,95
1	Seagate Desktop HDD ST1000DM003, 1TB	€ 47,95	€ 47,95
1	BitFenix Prodigy M Oranje	€ 71,95	€ 71,95
1	Kingston HyperX Fury black HX316C10FBK2/8	€ 48,95	€ 48,95
1	Antec VPF Series 450W	€ 51,61	€ 51,61
1	Crucial MX200 2,5" 250GB	€ 95,95	€ 95,95
Bekijk collectie Importeer producten		Totaal	€ 929,16

[ Voor 0% gewijzigd door JesseMacaw op 07-07-2015 22:27 . Reden: Typo ]

[Yeasis]

As a CS:GO player (and streamer), i had to upgrade my I5-3450 to a 4790K in order to make sure my stream wouldnt lagg (its CPU heavy when using software like OBS), so i would definitely recommend a I7. Because you will be using a dedicated GPU, a Xeon will be simlair to a I7 with lower core-speed. (it doesnt have a integrated GPU)

#	Product	Prijs	Subtotaal
1	Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 Boxed	€ 260,-	€ 260,-
1	Gigabyte G1.Sniper B6	€ 82,95	€ 82,95
1	Asus STRIX-GTX970-DC2OC-4GD5	€ 367,95	€ 367,95
1	Seagate Desktop HDD ST1000DM003, 1TB	€ 47,95	€ 47,95
1	Gelid Solutions Tranquillo Rev.2	€ 25,-	€ 25,-
1	Crucial Ballistix BLS2CP4G3D1609DS1S00CEU	€ 51,95	€ 51,95
1	Antec VPF Series 450W	€ 51,61	€ 51,61
1	Crucial BX100 250GB	€ 81,95	€ 81,95
Bekijk collectie Importeer producten		Totaal	€ 969,36

As far as cases go, they are pretty much personal preference, the more expensive ones will probably cool a little bit better and make less noice, but the N300 is already a really solid case.
So i would go for one of these:

#	Product	Prijs	Subtotaal
1	Cooler Master N300 (KKN1, closed)	€ 32,-	€ 32,-
1	Fractal Design Define R5 Zwart	€ 103,95	€ 103,95
1	NZXT S340 Zwart	€ 65,95	€ 65,95
Bekijk collectie Importeer producten

[JesseMacaw]

Oh sorry, I didn't pick up that you wanted to stream too . Then I totally agree with MeneerJoep, an Intel Xeon/i7 will be preferable. Although I would get a cheaper motherboard, unless you require the extra features of the Sniper. A Tranquillo is nice too (I have one too, it's really silent , get the Rev.2 though, the Rev.3 is no good), but you could leave it if you're going over budget. I wouldn't put a €1000 in a €30 case, though. But that's what I would do. Plus, I think the MX200 SSD's are the way to go, because they aren't much more expensive, but do have special caps that protect your data when there's power loss.

[ Voor 3% gewijzigd door JesseMacaw op 07-07-2015 22:28 . Reden: Rev.2 vs Rev.3 ]

[Szwoar]

As the others above me already note, you don't need a motherboard with a Z chipset when you won't be overclocking. Especially when you select a CPU that isn't overclockable, it's just a waste of money. A good, no-nonsense motherboard would be the Gigabyte G1.Sniper B6 or, alternatively, the ASRock B85M Pro4. The ASRock is cheaper, but has less features and the soundchip isn't as good as the one on the Sniper. The color scheme of the ASRock however is more neutral. If you consider buying a case which includes a window this might be something you want to consider.

A build with this budget without a SSD is, as noted before, a no-go. The Crucial BX100 is a good SSD that will make your PC boot faster, feel more snappier and games with big maps (such as Battlefield) will load quicker if you install them on it.

You also haven't selected an aftermarket processor cooler. The stock cooler from Intel isn't a horrible one, and probably will keep the CPU cool. It will however make much more noise than an aftermarket one. For this reason, you might want the Tranquillo Rev.2 to keep your CPU cooler and without making much noise.

The CPU can be changed for a i7/Xeon for reasons mentioned above. I don't know much about the benefit this will give, so I won't be going into this any further.


Apart from that, it looks like a good build to me! Good luck assembling your PC, which isn't as hard as it sounds.

[Sokkeh]

You might wanna do some research about quick sync streaming, it uses the internal gpu for streaming instead of regular processing power, thus freeing up more processing power for the game. also it's gonna save you a lot of money cause you dont need an expensive processor and motherboard. Im not too sure about how stable it is at the moment but alot of people seem to have it working just fine. The quality is appareantly not as good as x264 encoding.

[ Voor 15% gewijzigd door Sokkeh op 08-07-2015 10:20 ]

[DonnyL]

Quality of Quicksync is, in my opinion, not sufficient for CSGO. The moment you start moving your mouse the stream switches to about 10x10 pixels. Might work with slower games, just not the fast ones. On the other hand, is streaming really worth 100 extra euro for you? I can stream with my I5-4690k, but it gets me down from 300 to 100 fps and an occasional stutter.

[LongBowNL]

Sokkeh schreef op woensdag 08 juli 2015 @ 10:17:
You might wanna do some research about quick sync streaming, it uses the internal gpu for streaming instead of regular processing power, thus freeing up more processing power for the game. also it's gonna save you a lot of money cause you dont need an expensive processor and motherboard. Im not too sure about how stable it is at the moment but alot of people seem to have it working just fine. The quality is appareantly not as good as x264 encoding.

Why not via NVENC (aka Shadowplay) (or AMD VCE if using AMD hardware)? I don't see why you want QuickSync if you have a dedicated GPU with the same functionality.

[Sokkeh]

LongBowNL schreef op woensdag 08 juli 2015 @ 10:44:
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Why not via NVENC (aka Shadowplay) (or AMD VCE if using AMD hardware)? I don't see why you want QuickSync if you have a dedicated GPU with the same functionality.

cause the quality of NVENC is worse then quick sync, where quick sync quality is again worse then x264 .

[LongBowNL]

Sokkeh schreef op woensdag 08 juli 2015 @ 10:47:
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cause the quality of NVENC is worse then quick sync, where quick sync quality is again worse then x264 .

I tried to find some comparisons, but they are all rather old (from 2012). Also, VCE is not in your row.

[Sokkeh]

LongBowNL schreef op woensdag 08 juli 2015 @ 11:04:
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I tried to find some comparisons, but they are all rather old (from 2012). Also, VCE is not in your row.

This is a video from 2014 made by a pro cs go player, device from team dignitas.

YouTube: 60FPS Livestream Encoding in OBS: x264 vs Intel QuickSync vs Nvidia NVENC

[Jeroenneman]

Sokkeh schreef op woensdag 08 juli 2015 @ 11:06:
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This is a video from 2014 made by a pro cs go player, device from team dignitas.

YouTube: 60FPS Livestream Encoding in OBS: x264 vs Intel QuickSync vs Nvidia NVENC

But not every streamer needs 100% pixel perfect streaming. I seriously wonder why suddenly every gaming build needs to be able to stream games...

What do people expect? That everyone magically turns YouTube into a pot o gold?

Play your games, don't expect to get payed for it. And definitely don't spend extra money now for something that might give you 10% extra quality on Twitch or YouTube (which turn out compressed streams anyway).

[mastirias]

Hey again,

Thank you all very much for your answers! You helped me quite a lot with my first build. Keep it up and stay awesome

Best regards,
mastirias